1 00:00:11,800 --> 00:00:13,400 Rolling. 2 00:00:13,400 --> 00:00:17,000 We're rolling, Daniel. 3 00:00:17,000 --> 00:00:17,900 OK, we're going, guys? 4 00:00:17,900 --> 00:00:18,900 Yeah. 5 00:00:19,300 --> 00:00:22,200 OK, Alexei, I want to talk about something that we sort 6 00:00:22,200 --> 00:00:26,200 of touched on this morning, and you might hate this, but I 7 00:00:26,200 --> 00:00:27,900 really want you to think about it. 8 00:00:27,900 --> 00:00:32,200 If you are killed, if this does happen, what message do you leave 9 00:00:32,200 --> 00:00:36,320 behind to the Russian people? 10 00:00:36,320 --> 00:00:38,800 Oh, come on, Daniel. 11 00:00:38,800 --> 00:00:39,840 No. 12 00:00:39,840 --> 00:00:41,080 No way! 13 00:00:41,080 --> 00:00:45,600 It's like you're making a movie for the case of my death. 14 00:00:45,600 --> 00:00:48,240 Like, again, I'm ready to answer your question, 15 00:00:48,240 --> 00:00:52,760 but please let it be another movie, movie number two. 16 00:00:52,760 --> 00:00:56,120 Like, let's make a thriller out of this movie and, 17 00:00:56,120 --> 00:01:04,080 in the case I would be killed, let's make a boring movie of memory. 18 00:01:57,120 --> 00:02:02,840 Alexei Navalny is stepping back into another showdown with the Kremlin. 19 00:02:02,840 --> 00:02:05,840 What to do with Navalny presents a conundrum 20 00:02:05,840 --> 00:02:09,200 for the Kremlin, let him go and risk looking weak, or lock him up, 21 00:02:09,200 --> 00:02:16,240 knowing it could turn him into a political martyr. 22 00:02:27,640 --> 00:02:34,480 SOME CHEERS. 23 00:02:34,480 --> 00:02:42,440 CLAMOURING VOICES. 24 00:02:46,600 --> 00:02:51,000 Are you not scared, Alexei? 25 00:02:51,000 --> 00:02:53,960 What do you expect in Moscow? 26 00:03:31,400 --> 00:03:33,920 CROWD CHANT "NAVALNY". 27 00:03:33,920 --> 00:03:41,600 CHEERING AND APPLAUSE. 28 00:04:01,520 --> 00:04:04,760 Unexpectedly, Vladimir Putin has a genuine challenger, 29 00:04:04,760 --> 00:04:08,520 a handsome 41-year-old lawyer, Alexei Navalny, who has chosen one 30 00:04:08,520 --> 00:04:12,040 of the most dangerous occupations in the world - 31 00:04:12,040 --> 00:04:17,080 running against the man who controls the Kremlin. 32 00:04:17,080 --> 00:04:19,480 More than any other opposition figure in Russia, Alexei Navalny 33 00:04:19,480 --> 00:04:26,960 gets ordinary people out to protest. 34 00:04:28,000 --> 00:04:31,120 If I want to fight Putin, if I want to be a leader 35 00:04:31,120 --> 00:04:34,480 of a country, I have to do something practical about it. 36 00:04:34,480 --> 00:04:40,520 Well, I have to kind of organize people. 37 00:05:12,080 --> 00:05:14,920 I was banned from everything - television, banned, newspapers, 38 00:05:14,920 --> 00:05:22,400 blacklisted, rallies, forbidden. 39 00:05:25,000 --> 00:05:31,560 I realised I can do a lot on my own with the support of my wife, Yulia. 40 00:05:31,560 --> 00:05:36,640 Just a small group of people I can rely on, zero money, 41 00:05:36,640 --> 00:05:43,960 a lot of work, internet, and that's it. 42 00:05:50,080 --> 00:05:52,720 His youngest fans have turned to TikTok, which has been crucial 43 00:05:52,720 --> 00:05:55,320 in spreading the word. 44 00:05:55,320 --> 00:05:57,920 Navalny's posted hundreds of videos about his corruption investigations, 45 00:05:57,920 --> 00:06:05,520 and they're wildly popular. 46 00:06:07,960 --> 00:06:10,080 The Kremlin hates Navalny so much that they literally 47 00:06:10,080 --> 00:06:13,080 refuse to say his name. 48 00:06:50,400 --> 00:06:56,600 Our office was raided and they just confiscated everything - everything! 49 00:06:56,600 --> 00:07:00,280 They splashed a toxic liquid into my face and my first 50 00:07:00,280 --> 00:07:05,120 thought was, "Jesus, I will be kind of a monster 51 00:07:05,120 --> 00:07:11,200 until the end of my days." 52 00:07:18,240 --> 00:07:21,840 As I became more and more famous guy, I was totally sure that my life 53 00:07:21,840 --> 00:07:27,360 became safer and safer because I am a kind of famous guy, 54 00:07:27,360 --> 00:07:34,200 and it would be problematic for them just to kill me. 55 00:07:34,200 --> 00:07:35,960 And, boy, were you wrong. 56 00:07:35,960 --> 00:07:38,920 Yes, I was very wrong. 57 00:08:01,240 --> 00:08:04,200 Clapper! 58 00:08:22,920 --> 00:08:28,680 So, we went to Siberia to make a nice movie about local corruption. 59 00:08:28,680 --> 00:08:32,880 I expected a lot of police. 60 00:08:32,880 --> 00:08:36,200 I expected a lot of people who'd try to prevent our filming, 61 00:08:36,200 --> 00:08:41,520 confiscate our cameras or just break our cameras or try to beat us. 62 00:08:41,520 --> 00:08:44,400 I expected that sort of things and I was very surprised, like, 63 00:08:44,400 --> 00:08:48,440 "Why is nobody here?" 64 00:08:48,440 --> 00:08:56,400 "Why is there kind of..." 65 00:08:56,520 --> 00:08:58,200 I even have this strange feeling like, 66 00:08:58,200 --> 00:08:59,400 like a lack of respect. 67 00:08:59,400 --> 00:09:00,520 Like, seriously? 68 00:09:00,520 --> 00:09:08,480 I'm here and where is my police? 69 00:09:08,560 --> 00:09:16,520 He whole trip was the smoothest trip I ever had in the regions. 70 00:09:16,640 --> 00:09:20,000 I am a kind of slave of Thursdays, because on Thursday I have my 71 00:09:20,000 --> 00:09:21,040 online YouTube show. 72 00:09:21,040 --> 00:09:23,680 And then weekend, I can spend with my family before another 73 00:09:23,680 --> 00:09:26,000 trip to another region. 74 00:09:26,000 --> 00:09:30,920 I was going home and then I died. 75 00:09:30,920 --> 00:09:32,840 Passengers on his flight from Siberia heard Alexei 76 00:09:32,840 --> 00:09:35,800 Navalny cry out in agony. 77 00:09:46,960 --> 00:09:48,880 Other passengers filming just after the plane makes 78 00:09:48,880 --> 00:09:52,680 an emergency landing in Siberia. 79 00:09:52,680 --> 00:09:54,600 Navalny was then rushed to the hospital where 80 00:09:54,600 --> 00:09:56,120 he was put on a ventilator. 81 00:09:56,120 --> 00:10:00,480 His spokeswoman saying Navalny was poisoned. 82 00:10:00,480 --> 00:10:03,440 His wife raced to be by his side. 83 00:12:04,800 --> 00:12:07,200 We've come to the conclusion that, judging by the fact 84 00:12:07,200 --> 00:12:13,200 that there were no poisons found in his blood or other 85 00:12:13,200 --> 00:12:14,440 biological materials, 86 00:12:14,440 --> 00:12:16,600 he has a metabolic disorder, lowering of blood sugar 87 00:12:16,600 --> 00:12:20,200 levels to be specific. 88 00:12:20,200 --> 00:12:22,360 We're hearing state agencies here backed by the Kremlin 89 00:12:22,360 --> 00:12:28,960 suggesting that hallucinogenic drugs may be involved but not poisoning. 90 00:15:08,960 --> 00:15:11,600 This morning an air ambulance from a German charity landed. 91 00:15:11,600 --> 00:15:15,560 We have to make sure his condition is completely stable. 92 00:15:15,560 --> 00:15:21,400 We cannot transfer him in this state even if his family have consented 93 00:15:21,400 --> 00:15:23,520 to it. 94 00:17:07,840 --> 00:17:09,520 The moment when I heard the news 95 00:17:09,520 --> 00:17:11,680 that Navalny was poisoned, my first thought was can 96 00:17:11,680 --> 00:17:15,160 this be the Kremlin? 97 00:17:15,160 --> 00:17:18,040 Would they be so dumb to try and kill an opposition figure? 98 00:17:18,040 --> 00:17:20,840 The main opposition figure? 99 00:17:20,840 --> 00:17:27,560 I was sceptical. 100 00:17:27,560 --> 00:17:30,440 I thought, maybe it's one of the many oligarchs on whose feed 101 00:17:30,440 --> 00:17:31,800 is... 102 00:17:31,800 --> 00:17:34,240 Either it's a state ordered attack or it is somebody 103 00:17:34,240 --> 00:17:37,200 who is trying to assassinate opposition figures in order 104 00:17:37,200 --> 00:17:38,240 to at least Putin. 105 00:17:38,240 --> 00:17:40,400 The closest anyone has come to tracing a poisoning 106 00:17:40,400 --> 00:17:41,440 to Vladimir Putin. 107 00:17:41,440 --> 00:17:42,880 The 2018 attack in Salisbury, England. 108 00:17:42,880 --> 00:17:45,520 A defiant Kremlin insisting again that he had nothing to do 109 00:17:45,520 --> 00:17:47,440 with the brazen assassination attempt of former Russian 110 00:17:47,440 --> 00:17:49,640 spy Sergei Skripal. 111 00:17:49,640 --> 00:17:54,040 Skripal was poisoned by the military grade nerve agent Novichok. 112 00:17:54,040 --> 00:17:59,480 The insidiousness of Novichok is that it actually starts switching 113 00:17:59,480 --> 00:18:01,880 off your nerve connectors in your body one by one. 114 00:18:01,880 --> 00:18:05,000 If it's dosed properly, it will just turn you off as a body. 115 00:18:05,000 --> 00:18:07,760 But then within hours any trace of it will disappear. 116 00:18:07,760 --> 00:18:15,720 So it was always, forever look like it was a natural death. 117 00:18:15,960 --> 00:18:21,680 And this is why it appears to be the preferred form of killing 118 00:18:21,680 --> 00:18:23,800 for people's whose death will be in the public 119 00:18:23,800 --> 00:18:26,760 scrutiny, such as Navalny. 120 00:18:33,160 --> 00:18:38,200 There was a lot of pressure for us to start investigating. 121 00:18:38,200 --> 00:18:40,120 Our media department in Russia who reached out 122 00:18:40,120 --> 00:18:41,800 to us and said, "can you help?" 123 00:18:41,800 --> 00:18:45,400 We looked at them and we thought there's no hope in hell that we can 124 00:18:45,400 --> 00:18:48,080 investigate investigate a crime that happened in Russia, 125 00:18:48,080 --> 00:18:50,720 in the remote corners of Siberia, sitting here comfortably in Europe. 126 00:18:50,720 --> 00:18:53,680 We didn't even try in the beginning. 127 00:19:05,520 --> 00:19:07,440 Alexei Navalny arrives at this hospital in Berlin 128 00:19:07,440 --> 00:19:11,560 with his wife Yulia. 129 00:19:11,560 --> 00:19:17,400 A spokesperson tweeted: 130 00:19:17,400 --> 00:19:19,800 "The struggle for Alexei's life and health is just beginning. 131 00:19:19,800 --> 00:19:25,800 Here at the hospital, both inside and out, he'll be watched." 132 00:20:07,600 --> 00:20:10,680 To have your dad, an opposition leader, being poisoned 133 00:20:10,680 --> 00:20:13,280 by we don't know what, we don't know how, we don't 134 00:20:13,280 --> 00:20:19,000 know when, and just be in a random hospital. 135 00:20:19,000 --> 00:20:21,760 It was just... 136 00:20:21,760 --> 00:20:23,240 It was surreal. 137 00:20:23,240 --> 00:20:26,200 It was literally like a book. 138 00:20:28,560 --> 00:20:29,800 Hello. 139 00:20:29,800 --> 00:20:34,360 The doctors assured they can't say anything about his brain 140 00:20:34,360 --> 00:20:37,320 to which extent he will recover even if they manage to wake him up. 141 00:20:42,600 --> 00:20:45,480 Many millions of Navalny supporters are trying to out how to help. 142 00:20:45,480 --> 00:20:48,400 We in Berlin are a small team. 143 00:20:48,400 --> 00:20:51,360 We had to dive into actually getting things done. 144 00:20:56,640 --> 00:20:59,920 We all were very sceptical about investigating Alexei's poisoning. 145 00:20:59,920 --> 00:21:04,920 As opposed to previous cases, this poisoning took place 146 00:21:04,920 --> 00:21:07,560 on the Russian soil, so no one is going to share 147 00:21:07,560 --> 00:21:09,400 security footage with us. 148 00:21:09,400 --> 00:21:16,920 They're not going to have fancy videos from the airport 149 00:21:16,920 --> 00:21:19,200 where the poisoners fly in and out. 150 00:21:19,200 --> 00:21:22,560 And as much as it hurts to admit, while Putin is in power we'll 151 00:21:22,560 --> 00:21:23,760 never find out the truth. 152 00:21:23,760 --> 00:21:26,720 Yulia, how is your husband this morning? 153 00:21:41,280 --> 00:21:45,520 It was so crazy, like it's Putin's signature poison. 154 00:21:45,520 --> 00:21:51,880 We were actually so shocked. 155 00:21:51,880 --> 00:21:54,520 So he didn't just decide to murder him, but to poison. 156 00:21:54,520 --> 00:21:56,440 And not just to poison, but exactly Novichok. 157 00:21:56,440 --> 00:21:58,360 This was, like, really, like, leaving his signature 158 00:21:58,360 --> 00:22:01,320 on the crime scene. 159 00:22:09,280 --> 00:22:11,680 When you come into the room of a comatose patient, 160 00:22:11,680 --> 00:22:13,800 you are starting to just tell him the news. 161 00:22:13,800 --> 00:22:14,960 Telling him his story. 162 00:22:14,960 --> 00:22:16,440 Alexei, don't worry. 163 00:22:16,440 --> 00:22:17,480 You were poisoned. 164 00:22:17,480 --> 00:22:19,920 There was a murder attempt. 165 00:22:19,920 --> 00:22:25,400 Putin tried to kill you with Novichok. 166 00:22:25,400 --> 00:22:33,360 And he opened his, like, blue eyes wide 167 00:22:33,880 --> 00:22:38,720 and looked at me and said, very clear... 168 00:22:38,720 --> 00:22:39,760 Oh, come on. 169 00:22:39,760 --> 00:22:40,800 Poisoned? 170 00:22:40,800 --> 00:22:41,840 I don't believe it. 171 00:22:41,840 --> 00:22:42,880 It's like, he's back. 172 00:22:42,880 --> 00:22:43,920 This is Alexei. 173 00:22:43,920 --> 00:22:46,800 Putin's supposed to be, like, not so stupid to use this Novichok. 174 00:22:46,800 --> 00:22:47,840 His wording. 175 00:22:47,840 --> 00:22:48,880 His expletive. 176 00:22:48,880 --> 00:22:49,920 His indignation. 177 00:22:49,920 --> 00:22:52,080 If you want to kill someone, just shoot him. 178 00:22:52,080 --> 00:22:53,120 Jesus Christ. 179 00:22:53,120 --> 00:22:54,160 Like, real Alexei. 180 00:22:54,160 --> 00:22:55,600 It's impossible to believe it. 181 00:22:55,600 --> 00:22:59,080 It's kind of stupid the whole idea of poisoning with a chemical 182 00:22:59,080 --> 00:23:01,880 weapon, what the lock? 183 00:23:01,880 --> 00:23:04,520 This is why this is so smart, because even reasonable people 184 00:23:04,520 --> 00:23:06,680 they refuse to believe like, what? 185 00:23:06,680 --> 00:23:07,800 Come on, poisoned? 186 00:23:07,800 --> 00:23:10,760 Seriously? 187 00:24:06,400 --> 00:24:08,800 Traditional journalism implies you meeting with a source and that 188 00:24:08,800 --> 00:24:10,000 source telling you a story. 189 00:24:10,000 --> 00:24:12,400 In today's world of fake news, we don't trust sources. 190 00:24:12,400 --> 00:24:13,600 Because we don't trust humans. 191 00:24:13,600 --> 00:24:15,680 We trust data. 192 00:24:15,680 --> 00:24:18,080 Bellingcat is an organisation of digital nerds most of us 193 00:24:18,080 --> 00:24:20,000 with almost a little bit of autistic-like fascination 194 00:24:20,000 --> 00:24:22,440 with numbers. 195 00:24:22,440 --> 00:24:23,880 Every time you use your email, 196 00:24:23,880 --> 00:24:26,280 you make a phone call, you make a doctor's appointment, 197 00:24:26,280 --> 00:24:29,160 take a plane or a train, any time you used the ATM. 198 00:24:29,160 --> 00:24:31,800 Every time you actually look at the screen of your phone. 199 00:24:31,800 --> 00:24:32,840 That leaves a trace. 200 00:24:32,840 --> 00:24:35,240 In a place like Russia, imagine the person who works 201 00:24:35,240 --> 00:24:39,800 at the travel agency that has access to the flight manifests. 202 00:24:39,800 --> 00:24:43,680 They're getting like, what, $25 a day as a salary, 203 00:24:43,680 --> 00:24:46,320 and then for another $25 they would be able to sell 204 00:24:46,320 --> 00:24:48,480 that flight manifest to anybody who asks for it, 205 00:24:48,480 --> 00:24:50,640 just because it'll double their income for the day. 206 00:24:50,640 --> 00:24:51,840 This is a whole industry. 207 00:24:51,840 --> 00:24:55,760 Data brokers are on the dark web. 208 00:24:55,760 --> 00:24:58,400 You negotiate the price and within a few minutes they say, 209 00:24:58,400 --> 00:25:00,800 "Yep, I can get that data for you by tomorrow." 210 00:25:00,800 --> 00:25:05,440 And then you have to send bitcoin. 211 00:25:05,440 --> 00:25:08,720 Now, Bellingcat can't pay for that data because it's 212 00:25:08,720 --> 00:25:11,360 a foundation, so I have to pay for that data myself. 213 00:25:11,360 --> 00:25:14,200 Over the last five years of me working on data journalism, 214 00:25:14,200 --> 00:25:15,680 I would say I've spent $150,000. 215 00:25:15,680 --> 00:25:23,640 My wife has no idea about this. 216 00:25:24,040 --> 00:25:25,680 My wife suspects I've probably spent $2-3,000. 217 00:25:25,680 --> 00:25:28,320 If she knew the real quantum, she wouldn't be my wife. 218 00:25:28,320 --> 00:25:29,760 But she's gonna watch the movie. 219 00:25:29,760 --> 00:25:36,200 She's not watching this movie. 220 00:26:02,720 --> 00:26:05,120 Our expectation was once he's released from intensive care, 221 00:26:05,120 --> 00:26:11,480 he will have a desire to go to Russia immediately. 222 00:26:11,480 --> 00:26:13,880 To our great relief, he told me: "I better spend 223 00:26:13,880 --> 00:26:16,720 several months here." 224 00:26:16,720 --> 00:26:22,920 "I want to go back to Russia strong and fully recovered." 225 00:26:47,800 --> 00:26:50,640 For the longest time, I wasn't sure what to make of Navalny. 226 00:26:50,640 --> 00:26:53,040 I always wondered wondered how much of an independent figure 227 00:26:53,040 --> 00:26:55,920 he is or is he one of the many fake opposition figure 228 00:26:55,920 --> 00:27:00,520 created by the Kremlin. 229 00:27:00,520 --> 00:27:04,240 I've criticised him on Twitter. 230 00:27:04,240 --> 00:27:07,120 I mean, he was known for having flirted with the extreme right 231 00:27:07,120 --> 00:27:09,040 in the early days of his career. 232 00:27:09,040 --> 00:27:11,200 He walked side by side with some pretty nasty 233 00:27:11,200 --> 00:27:12,680 nationalists and racists. 234 00:27:12,680 --> 00:27:14,520 Had he moved beyond that? 235 00:27:14,520 --> 00:27:18,160 Had he actually become a reverse dark knight? 236 00:27:18,160 --> 00:27:25,280 Alexei Navalny! 237 00:27:58,520 --> 00:28:00,880 Within all my career, I've been asked the same 15 238 00:28:00,880 --> 00:28:03,280 questions all the time. 239 00:28:03,280 --> 00:28:04,320 Are you afraid? 240 00:28:04,320 --> 00:28:05,520 Are you working for Kremlin? 241 00:28:05,520 --> 00:28:06,720 What is your family doing? 242 00:28:06,720 --> 00:28:14,680 You have a responsibility for your family. 243 00:28:23,120 --> 00:28:28,800 If it is a foreign journalist, they are asking about the international. 244 00:28:28,800 --> 00:28:31,440 And every one of them, Jesus Christ, just watch previous interviews. 245 00:28:31,440 --> 00:28:32,480 Hold on. 246 00:28:32,480 --> 00:28:35,120 Were there not a couple of Sieg Heil-ers at that thing? 247 00:28:35,120 --> 00:28:36,160 Sorry? 248 00:28:36,160 --> 00:28:38,800 Were there not a couple of Nazi guys at that march? 249 00:28:38,800 --> 00:28:40,960 Certainly a Sieg Heil-ers are a different category that 250 00:28:40,960 --> 00:28:43,920 you would not want to associate with or march beside. 251 00:28:44,560 --> 00:28:46,960 Well, in the normal world, in the normal, political system, 252 00:28:46,960 --> 00:28:49,360 of course, I would never be within the same political 253 00:28:49,360 --> 00:28:50,400 party with them. 254 00:28:50,400 --> 00:28:52,080 But we are creating coalition, broader coalition 255 00:28:52,080 --> 00:28:54,000 to fight their regime. 256 00:28:54,000 --> 00:28:55,920 Just to achieve the situation where everyone can 257 00:28:55,920 --> 00:28:57,200 participate in election. 258 00:28:57,200 --> 00:28:59,840 A lot of politicians woulf even be uncomfortable to be associating 259 00:28:59,840 --> 00:29:02,480 or being in the same photograph as one of these guys. 260 00:29:02,480 --> 00:29:09,200 You're comfortable with that? 261 00:29:09,200 --> 00:29:11,840 I'm OK with that and I consider it's my political superpower, 262 00:29:11,840 --> 00:29:16,040 I can talk to everyone. 263 00:29:16,040 --> 00:29:18,000 Anyway, well, they are citizen of Russian Federation 264 00:29:18,000 --> 00:29:23,760 and if I want to fight Putin if I want to be a leader 265 00:29:23,760 --> 00:29:26,600 of a country I cannot just ignore the huge part of it. 266 00:29:26,600 --> 00:29:29,000 There are a lot of people who call themselves nationalists. 267 00:29:29,000 --> 00:29:30,040 OK, let's discuss it. 268 00:29:30,040 --> 00:29:32,200 We're living in a country where they are poisoning 269 00:29:32,200 --> 00:29:33,640 a politician and killing people. 270 00:29:33,640 --> 00:29:41,600 And arresting people for nothing. 271 00:29:42,560 --> 00:29:47,000 Of course, I am totally fine to sit with a guy 272 00:29:47,000 --> 00:29:49,960 whose rally looks kind of not very good for me. 273 00:30:02,520 --> 00:30:04,640 The Russian media didn't find anything, and German investigators 274 00:30:04,640 --> 00:30:06,840 didn't have the jurisdiction. 275 00:30:06,840 --> 00:30:08,520 So we realized, there's nobody who's actually 276 00:30:08,520 --> 00:30:09,720 going to actively investigate this. 277 00:30:09,720 --> 00:30:16,040 Unless we jump into this. 278 00:30:16,040 --> 00:30:19,240 We knew that the poison was Novichok and Novichok we had proven 279 00:30:19,240 --> 00:30:22,320 in the previous investigation was only manufactured 280 00:30:22,320 --> 00:30:27,120 in this facility called the Signal Institute. 281 00:30:27,120 --> 00:30:32,120 The Signal Institute in Moscow works under the guise of a RNB center that 282 00:30:32,120 --> 00:30:35,800 develops advanced forms of sports, nutrition drinks. 283 00:30:35,800 --> 00:30:39,080 That's the legend. 284 00:30:39,080 --> 00:30:41,520 Yet, they employ for this work 12 scientists whose only 285 00:30:41,520 --> 00:30:48,600 experience and background is in chemical weapons. 286 00:30:48,600 --> 00:30:51,680 Our hypothesis - this is the entity that actually provides the poison 287 00:30:51,680 --> 00:30:53,800 for the killers who travel around the world poisoning 288 00:30:53,800 --> 00:30:56,760 people with Novichok. 289 00:30:58,920 --> 00:31:03,800 So what we did was bought from the Russian black market 290 00:31:03,800 --> 00:31:06,200 the phone records for the head of the Signal Institute. 291 00:31:06,200 --> 00:31:08,840 We looked at numbers that only appear just before 292 00:31:08,840 --> 00:31:15,080 the poisoning of Navalny and those were suspicious. 293 00:31:15,080 --> 00:31:17,960 But, once we have a suspicious number, you go through a number 294 00:31:17,960 --> 00:31:20,600 of Russian apps that allow you to see how that phone 295 00:31:20,600 --> 00:31:22,960 number is listed in other people's phonebooks. 296 00:31:22,960 --> 00:31:27,640 So, for example, I put in my number and it will show up as Christo 297 00:31:27,640 --> 00:31:31,480 the journalist from Bellingcat, because somebody would have 298 00:31:31,480 --> 00:31:33,640 put my name into their phonebook and that description 299 00:31:33,640 --> 00:31:41,600 would have been shared into this app. 300 00:31:41,960 --> 00:31:44,800 First number I looked up showed up as Alexei, doctor from FSB. 301 00:31:44,800 --> 00:31:45,840 Well, that was interesting. 302 00:31:45,840 --> 00:31:47,040 But that was not enough. 303 00:31:47,040 --> 00:31:49,200 We couldn't place a real person behind this name. 304 00:31:49,200 --> 00:31:52,320 Then, I would look up if this number showed up in any car 305 00:31:52,320 --> 00:31:53,360 registration databases. 306 00:31:53,360 --> 00:31:56,000 And we found an actual Alexei Alexandro who owns a car 307 00:31:56,000 --> 00:31:58,680 and this number was listed for contacting this person. 308 00:31:58,680 --> 00:32:01,080 So then you have a real person with a birthday. 309 00:32:01,080 --> 00:32:03,720 Then, you look up his passport file, you see his face. 310 00:32:03,720 --> 00:32:06,720 You repeat that many times with the other suspicious numbers, 311 00:32:06,720 --> 00:32:08,880 and then you have a shortlist of interesting people. 312 00:32:08,880 --> 00:32:11,840 And these became our prime suspects. 313 00:32:16,600 --> 00:32:18,720 Now, we knew when Navalny had travelled to Siberia. 314 00:32:18,720 --> 00:32:21,120 We had the actual passenger manifests of six different flights 315 00:32:21,120 --> 00:32:23,520 that had flown into Novosibirsk where Navalny flew from Moscow 316 00:32:23,520 --> 00:32:26,360 on the day before, during, and after the day in 317 00:32:26,360 --> 00:32:31,320 which he arrived there. 318 00:32:31,320 --> 00:32:34,200 So, we needed to see if any of those suspicious people travelled 319 00:32:34,200 --> 00:32:36,360 to Siberia at the time of the poisoning, and 320 00:32:36,360 --> 00:32:37,400 we found an overlap. 321 00:32:37,400 --> 00:32:40,840 We found a nest of wasps we didn't know existed. 322 00:32:40,840 --> 00:32:46,000 It's a domestic assassination machine on an industrial scale. 323 00:32:46,000 --> 00:32:49,120 I was absolutely shocked that this was so fast and the whole plot 324 00:32:49,120 --> 00:32:52,680 disentangled so quickly, so I just reached out 325 00:32:52,680 --> 00:32:56,280 by Twitter and said "Alexei, I think we may have found 326 00:32:56,280 --> 00:32:59,240 who poisoned you." 327 00:33:02,920 --> 00:33:06,960 After I went out of the hospital, I decided to move into Black Forest 328 00:33:06,960 --> 00:33:11,120 and live in some small village. 329 00:33:11,120 --> 00:33:18,440 You can just walk for hours and not meet any person at all. 330 00:33:18,440 --> 00:33:21,240 These are my German friends, actually the little pony 331 00:33:21,240 --> 00:33:27,520 is my friend and donkey is Yulia's friend. 332 00:33:27,520 --> 00:33:29,440 And this is the routine of our walk. 333 00:33:29,440 --> 00:33:30,600 Come here, my little pony. 334 00:33:30,600 --> 00:33:31,840 Isn't he sweet? 335 00:33:31,840 --> 00:33:39,800 Better than your donkey. 336 00:33:41,720 --> 00:33:46,080 Everybody likes the small pony, it's like usual. 337 00:33:46,080 --> 00:33:47,120 You're scaring him. 338 00:33:47,120 --> 00:33:49,000 Go away. 339 00:33:49,000 --> 00:33:51,200 Aw, you poor guy. 340 00:33:51,200 --> 00:33:52,240 Donkey, hi. 341 00:33:52,240 --> 00:33:56,240 Of course, you like me. 342 00:33:56,240 --> 00:33:57,440 Come on, my mighty horse. 343 00:33:57,440 --> 00:33:58,480 Come here. 344 00:33:58,480 --> 00:33:59,840 More carrot. 345 00:33:59,840 --> 00:34:02,600 You'll grow big. 346 00:34:02,600 --> 00:34:06,000 They are cute, but they are not very smart. 347 00:34:06,000 --> 00:34:13,400 So, they decided for their fence not to provide electricity. 348 00:34:38,480 --> 00:34:41,240 Yulia want an apple and asked me to take it. 349 00:34:41,240 --> 00:34:42,920 But it's Germany, so it's someone's apple. 350 00:34:42,920 --> 00:34:44,600 And there is a police over there. 351 00:34:44,600 --> 00:34:46,520 I'll come there when it will be dark. 352 00:34:46,520 --> 00:34:49,960 And no police. 353 00:34:49,960 --> 00:34:52,920 So, you're a Russian criminal who arrived to Germany? 354 00:34:52,920 --> 00:34:58,200 No, it's OK. 355 00:34:58,200 --> 00:34:59,640 It belongs to I don't know. 356 00:34:59,640 --> 00:35:03,960 How do you know? 357 00:35:03,960 --> 00:35:11,920 Because it's open place. 358 00:35:15,320 --> 00:35:21,480 This is a very Russian style, 359 00:35:21,480 --> 00:35:23,360 you know, of thinking about property, like it 360 00:35:23,360 --> 00:35:24,440 belongs to everyone, 361 00:35:24,440 --> 00:35:25,600 because it's an open place. 362 00:35:25,600 --> 00:35:26,800 Just come and get it. 363 00:35:26,800 --> 00:35:30,160 The story of this guy who lives in Vienna but is Bulgarian but works 364 00:35:30,160 --> 00:35:32,800 in Russia and that he has all of his own money 365 00:35:32,800 --> 00:35:35,200 and he spends it all on investigations in Russian crimes. 366 00:35:35,200 --> 00:35:36,400 He just sounded too suspicious. 367 00:35:36,400 --> 00:35:37,600 Too good to be true. 368 00:35:37,600 --> 00:35:38,640 Too capable? 369 00:35:38,640 --> 00:35:43,840 He sounded a bit, you know, made up. 370 00:35:43,840 --> 00:35:46,640 Are you confident that he is not MI6 or CIA? 371 00:35:46,640 --> 00:35:48,600 I'm pretty confident. 372 00:35:48,600 --> 00:35:51,000 I wouldn't say I rule it out, but I'm pretty 373 00:35:51,000 --> 00:35:55,960 confident that he's not. 374 00:35:55,960 --> 00:36:02,840 I was suspicious about this guy from Twitter. 375 00:36:02,840 --> 00:36:10,360 I just saw his old laptop and all these tables with data. 376 00:36:10,360 --> 00:36:18,320 Turns out, and I was very surprised that the whole thing 377 00:36:23,360 --> 00:36:26,320 about Bellingcat is just one smart guy, no CIA involved, 378 00:36:26,320 --> 00:36:29,200 no MI6. 379 00:36:29,200 --> 00:36:35,920 He's just a nice and very kind Bulgarian nerd with a laptop. 380 00:37:01,640 --> 00:37:06,160 Major tell me if you recognise any of the people in the photographs. 381 00:37:25,760 --> 00:37:28,160 Getting through emotionally to Alexei was a piece of cake. 382 00:37:28,160 --> 00:37:29,200 Took literally an hour. 383 00:37:29,200 --> 00:37:30,880 Getting through to Maria took much longer. 384 00:37:30,880 --> 00:37:31,920 She was very tough. 385 00:37:31,920 --> 00:37:32,960 She never smiled. 386 00:37:32,960 --> 00:37:39,280 She was the one vetting me, whether I am a spy or not. 387 00:37:41,920 --> 00:37:44,800 But we needed information that only his team would be privy to. 388 00:37:44,800 --> 00:37:48,600 So we found a very workable arrangement which was completely 389 00:37:48,600 --> 00:37:50,720 ethical and acceptable to us. 390 00:37:50,720 --> 00:37:53,840 We agreed that Maria Pevchikh would be working as part of our team 391 00:37:53,840 --> 00:37:56,720 and she would not be sharing with Alexei all of the information 392 00:37:56,720 --> 00:37:59,560 in real time so that we wouldn't be influenced by the bias 393 00:37:59,560 --> 00:38:02,560 of the victim. 394 00:38:43,760 --> 00:38:45,200 When we discovered this clandestine operation, 395 00:38:45,200 --> 00:38:50,560 it was so shocking that even to us it looked unbelievable. 396 00:38:50,560 --> 00:38:53,680 I mean, come on, the government is paying a whole team of 20 397 00:38:53,680 --> 00:38:56,040 plus people whose only job is to poison other Russians? 398 00:38:56,040 --> 00:38:57,080 That sounds improbable. 399 00:38:57,080 --> 00:38:59,440 So we needed other journalists to look at it. 400 00:38:59,440 --> 00:39:02,080 I would like to share the limelight with some global media 401 00:39:02,080 --> 00:39:04,240 so that is validated by more than just us. 402 00:39:04,240 --> 00:39:06,160 So, CNN and Spiegal are fine with you? 403 00:39:06,160 --> 00:39:07,200 Yeah. 404 00:39:07,200 --> 00:39:08,240 Absolutely. 405 00:39:08,240 --> 00:39:13,040 That means we need to film exactly like a week from now, 406 00:39:13,040 --> 00:39:16,000 maybe like... 407 00:39:25,240 --> 00:39:28,560 We had a nightmare trying to get everybody to stick to the same time. 408 00:39:28,560 --> 00:39:30,720 It's all timed for a simultaneous release. 409 00:39:30,720 --> 00:39:35,840 All the media are going to drop the bombshell simultaneously. 410 00:39:35,840 --> 00:39:42,440 It's a huge debate as to whether this was intended 411 00:39:42,440 --> 00:39:45,480 to incapacitate or kill. 412 00:39:45,480 --> 00:39:47,600 I would say kill, 100% kill. 413 00:39:47,600 --> 00:39:53,720 If, for example, Navalny had laundry returned to him while he was staying 414 00:39:53,720 --> 00:39:56,640 at the Tomsk Hotel the afternoon before he left, 415 00:39:56,640 --> 00:39:58,320 would that be a point of access? 416 00:39:58,320 --> 00:39:59,400 It's definitely a possibility. 417 00:39:59,400 --> 00:40:03,920 The question is how well you can dose the agent that way. 418 00:40:03,920 --> 00:40:07,360 You put, let's say 10 times the deadly dose on the clothing. 419 00:40:07,360 --> 00:40:10,000 You must be sure, however, that you get at least one 420 00:40:10,000 --> 00:40:12,960 lethal dose into the body. 421 00:40:19,040 --> 00:40:22,200 Tomorrow we'll set up a phone with fake ID. 422 00:40:22,200 --> 00:40:25,800 So if we can call them through this number we can try to prank them. 423 00:40:25,800 --> 00:40:30,520 Yes, of course. 424 00:40:30,520 --> 00:40:32,680 Navalny will call personally these boys one by one 425 00:40:32,680 --> 00:40:33,880 and we will record this. 426 00:40:33,880 --> 00:40:34,920 Hi, this is Navalny. 427 00:40:34,920 --> 00:40:41,080 You may remember me from trying to kill me. 428 00:40:58,960 --> 00:41:00,880 Is it your contention that Vladimir Putin must 429 00:41:00,880 --> 00:41:02,080 have been aware of this? 430 00:41:02,080 --> 00:41:10,040 Of course, 100% it could have not happened without. 431 00:41:25,600 --> 00:41:26,640 Who's the most stupid? 432 00:41:26,640 --> 00:41:28,040 Most stupid of them? 433 00:41:28,040 --> 00:41:30,680 Well, definitely these are Spetsnaz guys with no real training. 434 00:41:30,680 --> 00:41:34,920 I think it makes sense to try to prank stupid guys 435 00:41:34,920 --> 00:41:37,880 and maybe these non-military guys. 436 00:41:42,160 --> 00:41:44,800 When you were a kid, did you have any political awareness? 437 00:41:44,800 --> 00:41:46,120 Was it a political family? 438 00:41:46,120 --> 00:41:50,600 Did your family talk about politics? 439 00:41:50,600 --> 00:41:58,560 Yes, my family talks about politics all the time and it was very, 440 00:41:58,880 --> 00:42:05,080 They start talk much more after Chernobyl disaster 441 00:42:05,080 --> 00:42:07,680 because my father and his family, 442 00:42:07,680 --> 00:42:12,200 they are from Chernobyl, from the small village 443 00:42:12,200 --> 00:42:15,600 two kilometres away. 444 00:42:15,600 --> 00:42:18,280 And, I would say, ten kilometers away from the nuclear station. 445 00:42:18,280 --> 00:42:21,560 Everyone knows that there was an explosion of a nuclear station, 446 00:42:21,560 --> 00:42:24,960 but news keeping silence and so all this nuclear 447 00:42:24,960 --> 00:42:32,920 and radioactive dust was on these fields and they were forced to go 448 00:42:33,680 --> 00:42:36,320 and plant potatoes just to prevent rumours, just to explain population 449 00:42:36,320 --> 00:42:37,360 that everything is fine. 450 00:42:37,360 --> 00:42:38,400 Everything is OK! 451 00:42:38,400 --> 00:42:42,240 Go and work in the fields! 452 00:42:42,240 --> 00:42:48,000 And, with the first appearance of Putin on the screen, I just felt it. 453 00:42:48,000 --> 00:42:55,600 I have this same feeling like I am watching TV and I am watching 454 00:42:55,600 --> 00:43:03,240 political leader and he's looking into my eyes and lying to me. 455 00:43:03,240 --> 00:43:07,160 This is the biggest challenge for me. 456 00:43:07,160 --> 00:43:09,080 I tried to practice juggling about a month 457 00:43:09,080 --> 00:43:13,640 and because of coordination and balancing video, 458 00:43:13,640 --> 00:43:15,080 because you need some balancing here, 459 00:43:15,080 --> 00:43:22,520 I'm very bad in it. 460 00:43:22,520 --> 00:43:28,360 I think he wants to make sure this hits home in Russian media. 461 00:43:28,360 --> 00:43:31,800 I mean, I think that's based on if he does it. 462 00:43:31,800 --> 00:43:33,960 So, we're not being journalists reporting about some politician, 463 00:43:33,960 --> 00:43:36,800 but we're reporting about a politician who has his own 464 00:43:36,800 --> 00:43:39,920 YouTube show with over 13 million followers and considers himself 465 00:43:39,920 --> 00:43:46,680 half a journalist. 466 00:43:48,920 --> 00:43:49,120 If 467 00:43:49,120 --> 00:43:52,120 That's a very unusual situation that doesn't make things easier. 468 00:43:56,800 --> 00:44:04,160 Mum, is this yours? 469 00:44:04,160 --> 00:44:05,920 no, you have water. 470 00:44:05,920 --> 00:44:07,840 Hold my beer while I make a TikTok. 471 00:44:07,840 --> 00:44:08,880 No, no, no. 472 00:44:08,880 --> 00:44:11,040 Just the second one you just are filming me 473 00:44:11,040 --> 00:44:14,000 and I must be horizontal. 474 00:44:20,080 --> 00:44:27,240 MUSIC: How Bizarre. 475 00:44:27,240 --> 00:44:28,280 Hold on. 476 00:44:28,280 --> 00:44:29,720 Again. 477 00:44:29,720 --> 00:44:30,920 You should remove second one. 478 00:44:30,920 --> 00:44:32,120 Oh, we can do that? 479 00:44:32,120 --> 00:44:33,160 Yes, of course. 480 00:44:33,160 --> 00:44:34,200 This is, you know... 481 00:44:34,200 --> 00:44:42,160 I don't know, I don't know how to do that. 482 00:44:46,880 --> 00:44:51,720 You know that Christo call it Moscow4. 483 00:44:51,720 --> 00:44:53,160 Uh, you know what is Moscow4? 484 00:44:53,160 --> 00:44:54,200 No. 485 00:44:54,200 --> 00:44:56,560 What is that? 486 00:44:56,560 --> 00:45:00,160 Well, their email of their very top guy from intelligence was hacked 487 00:45:00,160 --> 00:45:05,160 several times and his first password was Moscow1 and they hacked him 488 00:45:05,160 --> 00:45:10,960 so second his password was Moscow2 and they hacked him as well. 489 00:45:10,960 --> 00:45:15,880 And so well the third time, he had passcode Moscow3. 490 00:45:15,880 --> 00:45:18,840 And just guess what was his fourth password? 491 00:45:20,560 --> 00:45:27,800 So Moscow4 is the explanation of the stupidity of the system. 492 00:45:29,920 --> 00:45:37,880 Dasha, could you take my phone and be in the kitchen and pretend 493 00:45:40,000 --> 00:45:46,120 you're General Bogdanov. 494 00:46:02,720 --> 00:46:03,760 OK. 495 00:46:03,760 --> 00:46:05,680 Super. 496 00:46:05,960 --> 00:46:07,880 Super. 497 00:46:07,880 --> 00:46:14,760 Tomorrow we will make these calls. 498 00:46:14,760 --> 00:46:17,160 Honestly, I don't think it will work because FSB guys. 499 00:46:17,160 --> 00:46:18,840 They supposed to be resistant to pranks. 500 00:46:18,840 --> 00:46:22,800 But Moscow4, Moscow4. 501 00:46:22,800 --> 00:46:26,160 Ah, yes, and then we arrange to push the button and everything will be 502 00:46:26,160 --> 00:46:29,120 published exactly at 12. 503 00:46:29,120 --> 00:46:37,080 And also, I will publish my TikTok I recorded today. 504 00:46:37,840 --> 00:46:40,680 And we'll have a kind of 15 minutes of shame with it. 505 00:46:40,680 --> 00:46:43,640 OK, see you tomorrow! 506 00:47:09,760 --> 00:47:12,720 Hello. 507 00:47:21,480 --> 00:47:23,640 Now I totally feel like I am a undercover 508 00:47:23,640 --> 00:47:26,160 agent with the wired up. 509 00:47:26,160 --> 00:47:27,200 Are you not nervous? 510 00:47:27,200 --> 00:47:28,240 Sorry? 511 00:47:28,240 --> 00:47:29,280 Are you nervous? 512 00:47:29,280 --> 00:47:30,320 No. 513 00:47:30,320 --> 00:47:31,360 Please, come on. 514 00:47:31,360 --> 00:47:34,320 A little bit. 515 00:48:03,280 --> 00:48:04,320 He hung up. 516 00:48:04,320 --> 00:48:06,160 Oh, my God, you ruined their day. 517 00:48:06,160 --> 00:48:12,680 Not just today, I guess. 518 00:48:35,440 --> 00:48:38,920 He hung up. 519 00:48:38,920 --> 00:48:40,120 Maybe try the prank way? 520 00:48:40,120 --> 00:48:43,080 OK. 521 00:49:35,440 --> 00:49:40,960 That was a freaking scared guy. 522 00:49:40,960 --> 00:49:42,000 He recognised your voice? 523 00:49:42,000 --> 00:49:43,040 Yep, yep. 524 00:49:43,040 --> 00:49:44,080 Mikhail's not stupid. 525 00:49:44,080 --> 00:49:46,240 I really think a scientist might talk to you. 526 00:49:46,240 --> 00:49:47,280 1% chance. 527 00:49:47,280 --> 00:49:48,320 OK. 528 00:49:48,320 --> 00:49:55,880 Let's, let's try to reach some scientists. 529 00:56:01,320 --> 00:56:05,480 How could you do this? 530 00:56:05,480 --> 00:56:10,400 Yes, yes, yes. 531 00:56:10,400 --> 00:56:12,440 So, now we know everything like Moscow4. 532 00:56:12,440 --> 00:56:13,520 Oh my locking god. 533 00:56:13,520 --> 00:56:14,680 Actually, he's not a muscle. 534 00:56:14,680 --> 00:56:15,720 He's a chemist. 535 00:56:15,720 --> 00:56:16,760 He's a chemist? 536 00:56:16,760 --> 00:56:17,840 Yes. 537 00:56:17,840 --> 00:56:19,000 He spilled the whole story. 538 00:56:19,000 --> 00:56:20,080 This is unbelievable. 539 00:56:20,080 --> 00:56:21,080 Poor guy. 540 00:56:21,080 --> 00:56:23,160 They will kill him. 541 00:56:23,160 --> 00:56:26,360 They will kill him, literally. 542 00:56:26,360 --> 00:56:29,760 I think you'll be president, seriously, after this. 543 00:56:29,760 --> 00:56:32,640 They will definitely kill him. 544 00:56:32,640 --> 00:56:33,680 Poor Kudryavtsev. 545 00:56:33,680 --> 00:56:35,840 Poor Kudryavtsev, yes. 546 00:56:35,840 --> 00:56:38,480 He's a dead man. 547 00:56:38,480 --> 00:56:39,680 Let's offer him to defect. 548 00:56:39,680 --> 00:56:41,360 Let's arrange for him the whole thing. 549 00:56:41,360 --> 00:56:43,880 Seriously. 550 00:56:43,880 --> 00:56:46,680 Cos I think that's a humanitarian thing to do. 551 00:56:46,680 --> 00:56:48,720 He will be in a ditch by tomorrow. 552 00:56:48,720 --> 00:56:49,760 They'll just kill him. 553 00:56:49,760 --> 00:56:50,800 No, no, no. 554 00:56:50,800 --> 00:56:52,880 They will kill him. 555 00:56:52,880 --> 00:56:56,000 OK, well Spiegel has been begging me to call them since the morning 556 00:56:56,000 --> 00:56:57,440 Can I tell them this already? 557 00:56:57,440 --> 00:56:58,480 Confidentially? 558 00:56:58,480 --> 00:56:59,520 Let's just decide. 559 00:56:59,520 --> 00:57:01,200 Are we going to publish this conversation? 560 00:57:01,200 --> 00:57:06,680 Yeah. 561 00:57:06,680 --> 00:57:10,520 Because I think we should wait for A... 562 00:57:10,520 --> 00:57:11,560 Putin's press 563 00:57:11,560 --> 00:57:12,760 conference, at the very least. 564 00:57:12,760 --> 00:57:13,800 Sorry? 565 00:57:13,800 --> 00:57:15,720 To Putin's press conference, at the very least. 566 00:57:15,720 --> 00:57:17,160 It is on Wednesday, or Thursday? 567 00:57:17,160 --> 00:57:18,200 Thursday. 568 00:57:18,200 --> 00:57:20,120 Seventeenth. 569 00:58:15,120 --> 00:58:17,280 Christo, before pushing this button, I want to say 570 00:58:17,280 --> 00:58:18,320 that was amazing job. 571 00:58:18,320 --> 00:58:21,440 Thank you everyone for your contribution, guys. 572 00:58:21,440 --> 00:58:22,480 Yeah! 573 00:58:22,480 --> 00:58:29,840 High-five. 574 00:58:34,840 --> 00:58:42,200 Now, an exclusive investigation can reveal a top secret mission. 575 00:58:42,200 --> 00:58:44,840 An elite team of operatives have been tracking Navalny's every move 576 00:58:44,840 --> 00:58:47,800 for more than three years. 577 00:58:52,240 --> 00:58:56,880 Oh, thank you so much. 578 00:58:56,880 --> 00:59:00,720 It's an honour for me to be on such a big television of Spain and I'm 579 00:59:00,720 --> 00:59:02,880 very pleased you are paying attention to this situation. 580 00:59:02,880 --> 00:59:05,120 So, thank you very much. 581 00:59:05,120 --> 00:59:09,360 This scheme, which looks like it's from the movies, 582 00:59:09,360 --> 00:59:17,320 but in this particular case it's a real scheme, 583 00:59:18,480 --> 00:59:19,600 with real people, 584 00:59:19,600 --> 00:59:22,000 Putin on the very top. 585 00:59:22,000 --> 00:59:24,160 In mid-August, Navalny and his team traveled to Siberia. 586 00:59:24,160 --> 00:59:27,040 At least five members of the FSB unit make the same journey 587 00:59:27,040 --> 00:59:28,080 on different flights. 588 00:59:28,080 --> 00:59:29,120 Thank you very much. 589 00:59:29,120 --> 00:59:32,000 Back in Tomsk there was a surge in communications among the FSB 590 00:59:32,000 --> 00:59:33,880 unit and their bosses. 591 00:59:33,880 --> 00:59:39,880 If it was expected that Navalny would die on the flight, 592 00:59:39,880 --> 00:59:43,000 they were now scrambling to deal with a very different situation. 593 00:59:43,000 --> 00:59:45,640 We enter a rundown apartment building on the outskirts of Moscow 594 00:59:45,640 --> 00:59:49,000 where operative Oleg Tayakin lives. 595 00:59:49,000 --> 00:59:53,760 My name is Clarissa Ward and I'm with CNN. 596 00:59:53,760 --> 01:00:00,080 Can I ask you a couple of questions? 597 01:00:04,840 --> 01:00:07,480 So, you've said that you want to go back to Russia? 598 01:00:07,480 --> 01:00:09,360 You're aware of the risks of going back? 599 01:00:09,360 --> 01:00:10,400 Definitely. 600 01:00:10,400 --> 01:00:17,960 Why do you want to go back? 601 01:00:17,960 --> 01:00:20,840 I don't want this, you know, group of killers exist in Russia. 602 01:00:20,840 --> 01:00:23,920 I don't want Putin being president. 603 01:00:23,920 --> 01:00:25,360 I don't want him being tsar. 604 01:00:25,360 --> 01:00:28,000 So I want to go back and try to change it. 605 01:00:28,000 --> 01:00:34,160 So, this is fantastic piece. 606 01:01:09,880 --> 01:01:11,560 He opened his mouth to American songs. 607 01:01:11,560 --> 01:01:12,840 On TikTok. 608 01:01:22,800 --> 01:01:23,840 They are lying. 609 01:01:23,840 --> 01:01:28,440 This is crazy stuff, huh. 610 01:01:28,440 --> 01:01:31,400 Crazy, funny stuff like, who's he? 611 01:01:35,640 --> 01:01:38,280 But think about it, they're talking about this all the time. 612 01:01:38,280 --> 01:01:41,960 They talk about you. 613 01:01:41,960 --> 01:01:43,000 This is very funny. 614 01:01:43,000 --> 01:01:45,640 But the main point is they have a big problem otherwise 615 01:01:45,640 --> 01:01:47,120 they would not launch it. 616 01:01:47,120 --> 01:01:50,840 Right, right. 617 01:01:50,840 --> 01:01:53,240 They allowed the state number one channel that has never 618 01:01:53,240 --> 01:01:55,400 mentioned his name to only talk about him now. 619 01:01:55,400 --> 01:01:56,440 Yes, you're absolutely right. 620 01:01:56,440 --> 01:01:57,640 This is a main point. 621 01:01:57,640 --> 01:02:00,600 It's not affordable for them to keep silence. 622 01:02:31,000 --> 01:02:33,960 No, no. 623 01:03:09,560 --> 01:03:12,640 She plays chess better than all others in our family. 624 01:03:12,640 --> 01:03:15,040 Better than everyone in our family and because of this 625 01:03:15,040 --> 01:03:16,480 series Queen's Gambit, she's demanding that 626 01:03:16,480 --> 01:03:18,760 everyone should play chess. 627 01:03:18,760 --> 01:03:20,320 But nobody is playing. 628 01:03:20,320 --> 01:03:23,400 That is why I'm playing with the phone. 629 01:03:23,400 --> 01:03:25,000 Well, I definitely prefer Call of Duty. 630 01:03:25,000 --> 01:03:27,800 I definitely prefer chess. 631 01:03:27,800 --> 01:03:34,200 I prefer shopping. 632 01:04:00,160 --> 01:04:03,880 Ready for a 12-hour flight. 633 01:04:03,880 --> 01:04:10,160 We have to sit down for good luck. 634 01:04:31,200 --> 01:04:34,360 Starting from 13 years old, I would think about, what would I do 635 01:04:34,360 --> 01:04:42,320 if my dad was killed? 636 01:04:46,800 --> 01:04:50,360 Whenever I had, like, the talk, it's not 637 01:04:50,360 --> 01:04:58,320 anything you can sit at the table and discuss. 638 01:04:58,960 --> 01:05:01,840 So, it's nice for you for you, Dasha, to see the snow, 639 01:05:01,840 --> 01:05:03,960 so much snow before you go to LA, right? 640 01:05:03,960 --> 01:05:05,440 There is snow in California. 641 01:05:05,440 --> 01:05:08,560 There was a point a year ago, where my dad was almost not 642 01:05:08,560 --> 01:05:10,000 there for my high school graduation. 643 01:05:10,000 --> 01:05:17,160 He was in jail once again and, like, the whole day I was just thinking 644 01:05:17,160 --> 01:05:18,600 about how my dad would've been... 645 01:05:18,600 --> 01:05:19,640 I'm sorry. 646 01:05:19,640 --> 01:05:22,480 My dad would've been proud to see me walk on the stage 647 01:05:22,480 --> 01:05:23,640 and get my certificate. 648 01:05:23,640 --> 01:05:26,800 And he wouldn't get that option, because he was in jail 649 01:05:26,800 --> 01:05:29,760 for doing the right thing. 650 01:05:36,320 --> 01:05:44,280 I know that my dad misses Russia, even though it's scary to go back. 651 01:05:48,800 --> 01:05:51,400 And if he didn't go back, I would say, you need 652 01:05:51,400 --> 01:05:54,360 to go back and fight. 653 01:05:57,720 --> 01:06:00,680 It's something worth fighting for. 654 01:07:42,640 --> 01:07:50,120 His favourite, favourite answer for everything is CIA. 655 01:08:13,200 --> 01:08:18,760 Great, great, great, great, great. 656 01:08:18,760 --> 01:08:20,960 Because this is just amazing pass to us. 657 01:08:20,960 --> 01:08:23,560 Now, we can uphold, because he said, well, 658 01:08:23,560 --> 01:08:25,920 if we want to poison him, of course, we would 659 01:08:25,920 --> 01:08:33,920 have poisoned him. 660 01:08:33,920 --> 01:08:41,680 So, just, we will, I mean, the whole argumentation we will smash it. 661 01:08:54,280 --> 01:08:56,680 I'm just very curious how people will react to it, 662 01:08:56,680 --> 01:08:59,280 whether they will be as astonished as we are, hopefully. 663 01:08:59,280 --> 01:09:04,320 Because nothing like that's ever happened to anyone. 664 01:09:04,320 --> 01:09:07,240 OK, The Insider is up. 665 01:09:26,160 --> 01:09:28,560 Oh, that's totally unbelievable. 666 01:09:28,560 --> 01:09:35,160 I would never believe it if I wasn't part of it. 667 01:09:35,160 --> 01:09:42,920 300. 668 01:09:42,920 --> 01:09:49,560 300,000 views for 20 minutes. 669 01:09:54,360 --> 01:09:57,760 One hour later. 670 01:09:57,760 --> 01:10:04,000 1 million views. 671 01:10:04,000 --> 01:10:05,920 The poisoning of dissident Alexei Navalny has taken 672 01:10:05,920 --> 01:10:07,120 an even more bizarre turn. 673 01:10:07,120 --> 01:10:10,000 If this was a Hollywood movie you would say it was over 674 01:10:10,000 --> 01:10:11,440 the top, but this is not. 675 01:10:11,440 --> 01:10:14,080 This is real and boy, does this conversation punch a giant 676 01:10:14,080 --> 01:10:16,040 hole in the Kremlin's narrative. 677 01:10:16,040 --> 01:10:19,280 Surely, this is hugely embarrassing for the Kremlin and for the FSB. 678 01:10:19,280 --> 01:10:26,760 Oh, absolutely. 679 01:10:26,760 --> 01:10:28,120 It's embarrassing for Mr 680 01:10:28,120 --> 01:10:29,560 Kudryavstev, it's embarrassing for the FSB. 681 01:10:29,560 --> 01:10:30,880 It's embarrassing for the Kremlin. 682 01:10:30,880 --> 01:10:33,520 The FSB has said that the video of the conversation posted 683 01:10:33,520 --> 01:10:36,160 on Navalny's YouTube channel was fake and that the phone call 684 01:10:36,160 --> 01:10:38,080 was a provocation aimed at discrediting the agency. 685 01:10:38,080 --> 01:10:41,400 Navalny is suffering from delusion of persecution. 686 01:10:41,400 --> 01:10:44,520 Otherwise, there's a Freudian fixation on his own crotch area, 687 01:10:44,520 --> 01:10:50,600 which is probably how all of this should probably be treated. 688 01:11:20,040 --> 01:11:24,600 How is President Navalny different than President Putin? 689 01:11:24,600 --> 01:11:28,360 Well, my major task as a president just to prevent, you know, 690 01:11:28,360 --> 01:11:31,360 this damn circle of really over-established 691 01:11:31,360 --> 01:11:37,440 authoritarian regime. 692 01:11:37,440 --> 01:11:39,600 In authoritarian country, you either with an authoritarian leader 693 01:11:39,600 --> 01:11:47,560 or against an authoritarian leader. 694 01:11:49,640 --> 01:11:52,000 So, we are in more primitive politics, like human rights, 695 01:11:52,000 --> 01:11:55,280 freedom of speech, fair election. 696 01:11:55,280 --> 01:11:59,120 The tax money is supposed to belong to the local 697 01:11:59,120 --> 01:12:07,080 communities and, in Russia, everything is decided in Moscow. 698 01:12:09,200 --> 01:12:11,840 So, being a president just having this, you know, big pie 699 01:12:11,840 --> 01:12:18,000 of my power and I will cut it for the future of Russia. 700 01:14:05,360 --> 01:14:08,240 I apologise, I am sorry for the record that five minutes ago 701 01:14:08,240 --> 01:14:11,600 I told Daniel to get the lock out of here with his camera so, 702 01:14:11,600 --> 01:14:13,520 I apologise for that, because well, well everything 703 01:14:13,520 --> 01:14:16,640 is like, everything is happening in the last ten minutes and I have 704 01:14:16,640 --> 01:14:20,920 to make like a millions of emails. 705 01:14:20,920 --> 01:14:21,960 And... 706 01:14:21,960 --> 01:14:23,000 Leonid have a seat. 707 01:14:23,000 --> 01:14:24,040 Maria have a seat. 708 01:14:24,040 --> 01:14:30,760 You make me nervous because you're standing over me, sorry. 709 01:14:54,720 --> 01:14:55,920 Sorry, I have to sit. 710 01:14:55,920 --> 01:15:03,880 It's a Russian superstition, but it's important. 711 01:16:59,120 --> 01:17:00,560 Dear citizens, please leave the area. 712 01:17:00,560 --> 01:17:02,280 Only ticked passengers allowed. 713 01:17:02,280 --> 01:17:04,920 Since Navalny decided to come back, we have to greet him 714 01:17:04,920 --> 01:17:07,080 because he is now the symbol of Russia's freedom. 715 01:17:07,080 --> 01:17:10,040 In a few minutes, we will begin our final descent. 716 01:17:29,680 --> 01:17:30,680 Alexei, a comment please. 717 01:17:30,680 --> 01:17:37,040 Alexei will not be making any comments now. 718 01:17:37,040 --> 01:17:40,040 Hello, may I take a selfie? 719 01:18:30,440 --> 01:18:32,800 The anti-why police showed up and are just arresting everybody, 720 01:18:32,800 --> 01:18:34,240 including journalists live on the air. 721 01:18:34,240 --> 01:18:35,280 This is crazy. 722 01:18:35,280 --> 01:18:37,360 Jesus. 723 01:18:37,360 --> 01:18:40,320 I've never seen anything like this. 724 01:18:46,040 --> 01:18:48,160 There's no way they're not going to arrest him. 725 01:18:48,160 --> 01:18:51,040 I don't think they will let him come close to the front. 726 01:18:51,040 --> 01:18:53,680 I think they're going to yank him away before anybody else 727 01:18:53,680 --> 01:18:56,640 is let off the plane. 728 01:19:28,080 --> 01:19:31,040 This is the plane and this is Moscow. 729 01:19:31,600 --> 01:19:34,560 And this is the plane, and this is Moscow. 730 01:20:29,240 --> 01:20:31,360 They realised it's not possible to control the crowd 731 01:20:31,360 --> 01:20:37,800 and they chicked out. 732 01:27:17,880 --> 01:27:18,840 White Max 733 01:27:30,360 --> 01:27:37,080 Chanting. 734 01:29:28,760 --> 01:29:35,640 CHANTING. 735 01:30:43,400 --> 01:30:46,240 Alexei, if you are arrested and thrown in prison 736 01:30:46,240 --> 01:30:48,760 or the unthinkable happens and you're killed, what message 737 01:30:48,760 --> 01:30:55,720 do you leave behind to the Russian people? 738 01:30:55,720 --> 01:31:01,680 My message, for the situation that I am killed, is very 739 01:31:01,680 --> 01:31:07,600 simple - not give up. 740 01:31:07,600 --> 01:31:14,160 Do me a favour, answer this one in Russian.